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James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.20 09:51:00 - [1] Originally by: Damion Zyne Im sure CCP will realize that programs like this are not in the best interest of the game nor of CCP. Problem is, how do you 'legistlate' against it. I mean, the logserver writes to local disk. An app to read this log and 'do stuff with it' is pretty much impossible to detect. Much like logoffski, it's hard to make it an exploit, because it implies a high degree of control of your system. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.20 11:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Durzel Having apps like BACON in the public domain is better than not having them as it creates a level playing field... Great. So instead of cutting out the cheaters, now we're all cheaters. Awesome. instas -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Faife I love mobs. Everyone disses hydra while ignoring Razor, Goonswarm, and themselves for using Vent. Comparing this program to Ventrilo or Teamspeak is such a huge and obvious strawman that there should be spankings administered to those that do it. It is so sad that some people are so dense they don't see the difference, or insult us by expecting us to be this dense. EVE voice exists within the game, and is functionality that all players have available. Why therefore use Ventrillo or Teamspeak, unless it provides some additional advantage that the in game version does not. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Plaetean I thought using the game mechanics in an unintended way was an exploit . This is ***** ridiculous, use your eyes you lazy **s. Instas. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.21 21:14:00 - [5] Originally by: lord mouse Originally by: Miki Fin Originally by: Karentaki stuff I take it teamspeak/ventrillo/etc are also in breach of the TOS? those programs dont use files from the eve client. Strictly speaking, neither does bacon. It just parses a logfile. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.21 21:35:00 - [6] Originally by: lord mouse Edited by: lord mouse on 21/04/2008 21:18:18 Originally by: James Lyrus Strictly speaking, neither does bacon. It just parses a logfile. huh? how is parsing a log file created by the eve client not using a file from the eve client? In the same way that posting a screenshot, created by the eve client, to eve files isn't. Or hell, sometimes people shock edit screenys too. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.21 21:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Torik Tavitas If you read the EULA carefully, the prohibiton is about modifying game files. Reading a file is not modyifying it. BACON doesn't just read the data. It sorts the data and alerts the user to specific portions of the data, in real time, according to pre-defined criteria. It removes the need for ordinary player actions by automating them. That is a violation of the EULA. Reading data with a program is essentially the same regardless of the data and the program. Reading a JPEG file, and decompressing it, to view it, and edit it in paint, is actually more processing than this logfile parser is doing. How do you distinguish the two? It's also not eliminating any player action - it's just matching a log, and playing a beep. You still have to logoffski, warp to your safe, cloak, or whatever. But at the end of the day, the semantics don't matter - bottom line is 'exploit' is defined by CCP. Problem here, is it's pretty hard to tell the difference between 'exploit' and 'normal use' - it's not going to be obvious on the client, it's not going to be possible to tell remotely, since it doesn't change anything apart from act as a substitute for 'having local pinned on your backdrop'. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?

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